September
27, 2004 | Photojournalist-turned-documentarian George
Butler unleashed Arnold Schwarzenegger on a unsuspecting world
with Pumping Iron, the critically acclaimed and
hugely entertaining 1977 film about the subculture of bodybuilding
and the science of self-promotion.
More recently, Butler celebrated a different sort of larger-than-life
hero British explorer Sir Ernest Shackleton, commander
of the ill-fated H.M.S. Endurance in a full-length
feature (The Endurance: Shackletons Legendary
Antarctic Expedition) and a literally awesome IMAX spectacle
(Shackletons Antarctic Adventure).
And
now Butler is back with a cinematic ode to
John Kerry?
Yes
indeed: Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry
is an unabashedly admiring yet undeniably engrossing account
of the Presidential candidates formative years during
and after his Vietnam War military service. Specifically,
the film traces the development of the well-born, Yale-educated
Kerry from idealistic student to Swift Boast commander
and, ultimately, to anti-war activist.
Set
to open theatrically Oct. 1, Going Upriver is
the culmination of a 40-year friendship between the documentarian
and his subject. Butler insists that he didnt start
out to make his movie as a response to the anti-Kerry assaults
by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (a group spearheaded
by Houston attorney John E. ONeill, co-author of the
incendiary Unfit for Duty). But as he freely admitted
during an interview at the recent Toronto International Film
Festival, Butler always intended the documentary to arrive
in theaters just in time to influence voters before the 2004
election.
Question:
Youve made movies about Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sir Ernest
Shackleton and John Kerry. What do all three of these guys
have in common?
George
Butler: Will. Thats W-I-L-L. They each have it in abundance.
They each are underestimated characters. And they each over-achieve
and, in the end, always succeed.
Q:
Schwarzenegger and Shackleton gained fame partly because of
their talent for self-promotion. Would you agree that Kerry
might need some coaching in that area?
Butler:
He certainly needs characters like me to come along and make
movies about him.
Q:
Why?
Butler:
Kerry is very old-fashioned in a certain regard: Hes
not a self-promoter, and never has been. Hes always
a little uncomfortable talking about himself. Ive seen
him almost stop interviews when hes been asked personal
questions. He just doesnt like it. And he doesnt
like to brag. Hes almost the opposite of what the normal
American celebrity or politician is today. And its fascinating:
Kerrys friends speak for Kerry. But Kerry doesnt
speak much for himself at all.
Q:
Is this a byproduct of traditional Yankee reserve?
Butler:
No question about it. Its the same thing in my family.
Weve always been told: You get your name in the newspapers
the day youre born and the day you die, and nothing
in between. When I made Pumping Iron, my Yankee
Boston family was appalled at the idea that I was appearing
in the press.
Q:
You began taking pictures of Kerry long before you started
snapping Schwarzenegger. What made you take such an early
interest?
Butler:
Because I thought hed become President. For sure. I
thought hed become President the moment I met him in
June 1964. And I began photographing him when he came back
from Vietnam in late 1969. I took something like 150 rolls
of film of him, and kept the pictures. I had a very elaborate
filing system. But for a long time, I had no market for them.
No one would ever buy them. It was a very similar thing with
Arnold. No one would ever buy pictures of him. But I was on-target.
I did the same thing with each of those two guys 7,500
pictures of Arnold, 6,000 pictures of Kerry. So I must have
known something before anybody else.
Q:
The common rap against Kerry as a campaigner is that hes
too stiff, too formal. Youve known him for a long time.
Whats the funniest thing youve ever heard him
say?
Butler:
Well, he used to do a terrific Peter Sellers imitation. He
could play Inspector Clouseau and so forth. But other than
that
Im just trying to think. [Long pause] What
I would say is more interesting about John is to be in a room
with him and understand that he just said something that was
incredibly insightful, or analytic in just the perfect kind
of way.
Q:
Doesnt sound like much of a party animal. Wouldnt
you advise him to loosen up more? Maybe share his lighter
side with us? I mean, doesnt he know thats how
people get elected these days?
Butler:
Johns a hard guy to assess. Thats often true with
very smart people they wont or cant do
the things that not-so-smart people can do easily in order
to get other peoples attention. What John Kerry does
not do is share a lot of his private life with a lot of people.
Q:
Fair enough. But that raises the question: Does he really
want to be president badly enough to do whatever it takes?
Butler:
I cant get into too many political questions, because
Im a filmmaker, talking about my film. But, yes, Im
sure he wants it. And hes wanted to be President from
Lord only knows how far back. Hes been essentially single-minded
about that. And, you know, Kerry often wins his campaigns
for the Senate just by wearing the opponent down with his
sheer physical energy. Heres a guy whos had prostate
cancer, but hes still going. Hes unstoppable.
Q:
One of the most powerful things in Going Upriver
is Kerrys address to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
during the 1971 anti-war protests in Washington, D.C. Hes
passionate, hes articulate and yet, at the same
time, as you make clear in the movie, hes media-savvy
enough not to come across as some raving hippie firebrand.
Butler:
And can you imagine a young man in America today a
guy whos 27 years old making that kind of speech
to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? Seventeen thousand
words. Spoken totally without notes or use of a Teleprompter.
Could George Bush do that today? Not a chance.
Q:
You also make clear in your movie that it was this Senate
speech along with his activities with Vietnam Veterans
Against the War that brought Kerry to the attention
of President Nixon and his White House cronies. In fact, you
show that it was Nixon aide Charles Colson who initially encouraged
John E. ONeill to debate and attack Kerry as early as
1971. All these years later, ONeill still is on Kerrys
case. You could almost make an entire movie about that
relationship.
Butler:
What I find interesting is that if you go back to 1971, youll
see that Nixon and all these people around him Colson,
Ehrlichman, Haldeman, Dean with the benefit of the
CIA, the Secret Service and the FBI, they had every piece
of equipment on Gods earth to go to the Naval records
and find out whether Kerry really earned his medals in Vietnam.
Now, do you really think they didnt fully investigate
him then? So how is it possible that, 35 years later, there
is new evidence? People are coming forward with memories as
clear as if theyd seen it yesterday, to condemn John
Kerry and question whether he earned his Bronze Star and his
Silver Star. It just leaves me wondering: How on earth can
John ONeill do now what he couldnt do in 1971?
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